View Full Version : Seabrook & Hollywood ( Matinee ) Phoenix ( Evn. )

01-22-2004, 02:40 AM
Seabrook :

1- 1542
2- 6327
3- 1437
4- 7128
5- 2517
6- 7213
7- 2745
8- 3617
9- 1672
10- 4183
11- 7451
12- 5748
13- 6425
14- 1/4563
15- 8321

Hollywood :

1- 5267
2- 8/2651
3- 6732
4- 7185
5- 8532
6- 2834
7- 1723
8- 4367
9- 2318
10- 6347
11- 7158
12- 1762
13- 8475
14- 8531

Phoenix :

1- 6241
2- 7548
3- 3847
4- 2514
5- 3846
6- 7451
7- 6418
8- 5378
9- 5631
10- 7342
11- 2/4367
12- 5731
13- 1352
14- 5842



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01-22-2004, 12:16 PM
After a great night a Palm Beach, here are todays selections:

Seabrook (Afternoon)

Race 1----> 1542 Result: 124 (W-5.60, Q-10.60, T-69.80)
Race 2----> 3621 Result: 3(62) (W-5.80, Q-10.80, Q-9.20, T-52.30, T-20.60) Note: 6&2 was a dead heat for second
Race 3----> 1647 Result: 174 (W-7.20, Q-12.80, T-92.80)
Race 4----> 6745 Result: 283
Race 5----> I'm skipping Result: 431
Race 6----> 7283 Result: 761 (W-9.80)
Race 7----> 7428 Result: 348
Race 8----> I'm skipping Result: 158
Race 9----> 7615 Result: 172 (Q-13.60)
Race 10--> 2143 Result: 631
Race 11--> I'm skipping Result: 378
Race 12--> 2751 Result: 425
Race 13--> 5687 Result: 248
Race 14--> 4158 Result: 147 (Q-20.40)
Race 15--> 4823 Result: 814

Seabrook Totals: 4(W) +4.80, 6(Q) -66.60, 4(T) +163.50= +101.70

[B]Hollywood (Afternoon)

Race 1----> 5726 Result: 572 (W-5.60, Q-18.00, T-34.40)
Race 2----> 8625 Result: 862 (W-4.80, Q-10.00, T-17.10)
Race 3----> 3278 Result: 3874 (W-9.60, Q-51.00, T-104.30)
Race 4----> I'm skipping Result: 217
Race 5----> I'm skipping Result: 2853
Race 6----> 2847 Result: 281 (W-8.80, Q-11.60)
Race 7----> I'm skipping Result: 2851
Race 8----> I'm skipping Result: 6124
Race 9----> I'm skipping Result: 2513
Race 10--> 7812 Result: 174 (Q-50.20)
Race 11--> 4518 Result: 573
Race 12--> 1683 Result: 152 (W-3.20)
Race 13--> 8451 Result: 6582 Note 1 was scratched
Race 14--> 1385 Result: 8752

Hollywood Totals: 5(W) +14.00, 5(Q) +32.80, 3(T) +101.80 = +148.60


Race 1----> 2613 Result: 6452
Race 2----> 1543 Result: 5127 (Q-8.00)
Race 3----> 7843 Result: 2875
Race 4----> 1465 Result: 2157
Race 5----> 8473 Result: 3578
Race 6----> 4185 Result: 1632
Race 7----> 1648 Result: 6487 (Q-27.40)
Race 8----> 8576 Result: 7184
Race 9----> 8215 Result: 5137 (Q-20.60)
Race 10--> 5324 Result: 6374
Race 11--> 2468 Result: 2783 (W-5.20)
Race 12--> 1735 Result: 751 (Note: 4 dog race and 3 was scratched. Only win, and exacta wagering available)
Race 13--> 1265 Result: 2753
Race 14--> 7153 Result: 2718

Phoenix Totals: 1(W) -22.80, 3(Q) -100.00, 0(T) -78.00 = -200.80

Day Totals: 10(W) -4.00, 14(Q) -133.80, 7(T) +187.30 = +49.50

Play the first dog to win ($2 a race)
Play 4 dog Quinella box ($12 a race)
Trifecta key the 1st dog w/the next 3 dogs ($6 a race)

Good luck!

01-22-2004, 12:24 PM
You never took the opprotunity to answer if you would share your insights on your program and I was wondering if you seen it ?

Its very interesting to have one of your value here and was hoping we could share ?

G.L. Today & ever there after


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01-22-2004, 12:57 PM

I am either going to run over to Vegas on Sat, or run to the doggie track. If you have the time on Sat and if I go could you take a check at the pups and make me a few GGG's?? I think they run days and evenings on Sat..also we had rain here today, not sure if that effects your PHX plays posted..

I know your plays are good for an easy payday..and even worth associating with all the other beauties over at that dim lit track..

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01-22-2004, 12:58 PM
I'd be happy to "talk shop", always looking for a chance to discuss greyhound handicapping. However, I'm not sure what is the best forum for that discussion. Being a "newbie" here, it seems that most of these posts are dealing with Basketball and Football.

Do you do anything with Bluffs Run? They've changed the programs to only .pdf files, and my program doesn't work with those?

01-22-2004, 01:05 PM
They keep the lights low for our benifit :red: , and I will not argue with thier reasoning !

Surely you jest ? , of course I will toss out some numbers for you ( both cards ) and the rain doesnt hurt my calls a bit as a matter of fact it will help because my system uses the break & speed a bit on the heavy-side .

" Beauties "

a classic overstatement :red:



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01-22-2004, 01:21 PM
I think discussing any form of gambling is acceptable here ( for posting ) , and after all the muss-mouth posts I have witnessed here perhaps a good infomative post or two wouldnt hurt a thing .

There are a few that go to the tracks here and I am sure they would like to see such ramblings also , but it is after all up to you if you would find it interesting or not ?

Bluffs (1 Dog ) Run , has always been on my radar and the rail has always done well there ( % wise ) , I go there quite often and cover it along with about 60 others daily , the files are handled by a young gent that works for me and he converts them somehow ( I will ask ) .

Lokking forward to chit-chatting with you about this because it is this ladys love ( and business ) for 38 years now . And I want to always stay on top of the game in every area possible .



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01-22-2004, 01:24 PM
hey bud my brother works at seabrook greyhound

01-22-2004, 01:27 PM
Remember ?


01-22-2004, 02:55 PM
I was wondering about that place. I suppose the crowds arent there for the scenery are they? The track itself outside is very nice, I guess the pooches deserve the best..


Side question, speaking of Vegas do you or anyone else know if a decent Vegas sportsbook also list and run dog races? I usually go to Hilton cause the sportsbook is great..and I have seen the horses but I cant recall seeing doggies.

Thanks for the help and if Vegas did have a spot where you could bet the dogs I might do that..

Nice job on the hoops forum, that is definately an undertaking..lots of work and little appreciation. Margin for error is quite small..

01-22-2004, 03:03 PM
Looking for a good computer program for the pups, could you suggest or do you cap a different way. Any help would be great!


01-22-2004, 03:08 PM
Looking for a good computer program for the pups, could you suggest or do you cap a different way. Any help would be great!


01-22-2004, 03:14 PM
Most of the sports books in Vegas carry the dogs, however, they usually only have them at night. I've seen them at Caesars, IP, TI, Exclabur, and most of the strip. Downtown, I know the Plaza, LVC, and GN does for sure.

As for a software program to handicap the pups, it depends on what you want it to do for you, and what tracks that you play on. I'd google search on Greyhound Software, and take a look at what comes up. MMM might have more insight on that.

01-22-2004, 03:22 PM
Good stuff, thanks a bunch..looks like I may be going to Vegas instead of staying home!

If the big places carry doggies, I have to imagine that Hilton does too.


01-22-2004, 04:28 PM
at one time carried far more dogs than anyone in Vegas , and Im sure they still do . I havent been in about a year and a half but they where by far and away the the " biggie " at that time ( and before ) so check them out , and if you do then you can cherry-pick your tracks for the safest lays and not make a ton but almost assured make a profit on low output safe wagers ( but alot of them ).

SRH , you left before you saw my answers to your post the other day , I will bump them up for you .



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01-22-2004, 04:37 PM
I was thinking about maybe playing some tri boxes..keep the price to under 50 a race..I know that the quad costs 60 if I recall correctly.

If you have a better feel on a specific track let me know vs PHX, looks like I will be there mid morning. Its a 4+ hr ride over, will leave somewhat early..come home later the day.

If you think the 4 box is a better ROR let me know and I will do so. I would rather spend another 12 and make more than not. Also, I have noticed from you and Iggy that locking in 1 doggie then boxing the rest really doesnt pay, at least from the races recently run. I would rather box 3 than lock in #1 then box the other 3.

Maybe I am in left field and should do the reverse? (or maybe I play 5 or 6 races instead of all of the runs)

Thanks as always and I appreciate the help!

01-22-2004, 04:52 PM
As far as the tri's go, its a risk to reward issue. For instance, in the earlier races at Hollywood today, if you would have boxed 4 dogs in the tri, it would cost $24, or boxing 5 would have cost you $60 a race. The low payoffs in those races would have caused you to lose money, even though you would have cashed the ticket.

In my experience, boxing trifectas with 4 or more dogs is a losing prop, long term. But if that's what you want to do, may I suggest the following style of trifecta wagering:

1-2-3-4-5 Cost $12.00

1-2-3-4-5 Cost $18.00

Something like that give you a chance to cover more dogs with less money outlay.

01-22-2004, 04:57 PM

So you are saying do not box, rather bet the sequence you listed?

So say this was the scenario:

Race1 52143

You say bet separate bets like this:

bet1) 52
bet2) 521
bet3) 52143

Which costs 12 bucks, but they must hit JUST like that

or in the 2nd scenario-

bet1) 52
bet2) 5214

Is that accurate? So instead of the box, you bet 3 separate wagers? Sorry if I seem a bit slow but I just want to make sure I understand.

The appeal to me of the box is that there can be any order of the placing and I still win and also have the upside of the exacta (??)


01-22-2004, 05:10 PM
It call a ($1 Trifecta Partial Wheel) which is one wager, and you call it a the window like this use your your Scenario of (Race1 52143)

"$1 Trifecta Partial Wheel, 52 with 521 with 52143"

How this works is either 52 needs to come in 1st, either 521 needs to come is second, and 52143 can come in third.

01-22-2004, 06:39 PM

I gotcha and since you are taking out a part of the wheel, thus the lower price.

So from your experience do you feel that "locking" in the first two has enough of a percentage to eliminate the other three dogs and lower your take if say #4 picked dog comes in first?

I guess my point is that if a longie comes in first and you "wheel" all 4, then you get paid much larger all around, and if a semi longie comes in then most of your payday is lost since you are locking in 52 in this example in the first slot.

I want to use what is the best overall in price and percentage.


01-22-2004, 06:55 PM
Once again it's a risk to reward ratio. However, you can move things around if you would like:




still cost the same $12.

Now I'm not saying that you have to this, its just an example

01-22-2004, 07:02 PM
I guess your point is that the costs is low, thus instead of spending 600 bucks on 10 races, you spend 120 (12 a race for 10 races) and that saves the bankroll over time.

The downside is you dont get one of those 1600 buck paydays I have seen MMM get by boxing 4 or 5 in.

I am not sure which is the wisest, I am sure there has to be some stats that show which makes more sense.

For the gambler, maybe the box 4 or 5, for the conservative the partial wheel.

01-22-2004, 08:36 PM
Its a matter of choice, I don't personally chase Tri's, if they happen, they happen. Boxing 5 dogs at $60.00 a race never really worked for me in the long run.

01-22-2004, 08:43 PM

So tell me.. MMM and I have talked tons about this and she has her views and lots of wagering experience and training experience. Tell me how you like to wager..what works for you and how you make money?

I see the other day you like to lock in a specific dog, then (quin?) the rest..where the other 3 or 4 finish 2-4th or 2-5th.. is that accurate?

I appreciate your responses and it is good to see how people do it who are active as you are.

I would have to say I lean towards a 4 box for 48 a race..but my experience is NADA so it might be a horrible lean..lol

01-22-2004, 08:50 PM
Usually, I'll pick the top 4 dogs, find the winner out of that and wager $2 to win on that dog. Quinella box the top four dogs $12, and Tri key the the dog I picked to win, with the 3 other dogs.

I've been at this since 1985 and wrote a program back then, which does that work for me. If you look early in the thread, you can see what i've done with that just today.

01-22-2004, 09:36 PM

So you Quin (which means place in the top 2) them combo that with your top pick..

That is how I felt it was from your other posts.

One thing I also have noticed is that on the runs you played (2) that only once or twice the dog you picked as top came in top..and MMM tri'd 4 and seemed to have better results. I dont know how much she made in relation to the 48 bucks spent per race, but you get what I mean.

01-22-2004, 10:07 PM
Example from today:

Seabrook Race 1: I picked (1542), so I would play

$2 on 1 to Win = $2.00
$2 quinella box 1542 = $12.00
$1 Trifecta Key 1 to win with 542 = $6.00

This race finish 124, so I win all three wagers

Hollywood Race 3: I picked 3278, so I would play

$2 on 3 to Win
$2 quinella box 3874, so I need 2 of those 4 to finish 1st and 2nd to win that wager.
$1 Trifecta Key 3 to win with 874, I need 2 of those 3 to finish 2nd and 3rd, with 3 finishing 1st.

This race finished 3874, so I won all three wagers.

That's how I do it.

01-22-2004, 10:14 PM
I think the best way to play tris is to key 1 or 2 horses like

1-234-4567 and going 234-1-4567


12-12-34567 and 12-34567-12

01-22-2004, 10:18 PM

Right..thanks for the exact example. Now I know that depending on the ratings of the dogs that it will control how much you make per bet.. but in those examples today, how much did each net you?

So in the first race..

2.00 ticket for the 1 pooch to win won??
the 1542 box won how much?
And the 1 key 542 how much did that pay?

So the first race cost 20 bucks..and do you have the figures of what the box would have paid? It would cost you 28 bucks more but if you had done that, what would it have paid versus what you were paid?

Thanks and I appreciate the exchange!

MMM if you are reading this, please chime in on your views!!

01-22-2004, 10:23 PM

I dont follow your thinking..

7 horses, keying the 12, but explain the difference in the two scenarios:

12-12-34567 and 12-34567-12

And why do one over the other? To me a layman it seems like redundancy..if you are keying 12, then you bet another 12 key??

Sorry if am seeming a bit slow..maybe it is the larger number of participants that are with horses versus dogs.

01-22-2004, 10:53 PM
Race 1----> 1542

I played $2 to win on 1, cost $2
I played a $2 quinella box on 1542, Cost $12
I played a $1 tri key 1 to win with 542, Cost $6

Race result 124

I won the Win Wager for $5.60, less the $2 wager, Net $3.60
I won the Quinella Wager for $10.60 less the $12 wager, Net -$1.40
I won the Tri Wager for $69.80 less the $6.00 wager, Net $63.80

If I would a $1 tri boxed the 1542 and a cost of $24.00, it still would have paid the $69.80 at the $1 level. If I would a $2 tri boxed the 1542 and a cost of $48.00, it still would have paid the $139.60 at the $2 level.

01-22-2004, 10:58 PM


One other question, how have you fared overall, and how often do you bet on the dogs? every day, once a week etc..and on a percentage of bankroll how do you think you fare?