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vols fan
08-14-2014, 07:15 PM
My fellow americans.....

Ok it's not going to be that official but I'm sure others have opinions of what's going on here so I have two questions.


1st---- How the hell is Kazdog a moderator? Listen guys Kaz and I have had arguments in the past and 99.9% of them have been over politics. I don't judge him for us being on different sides. I don't hate kazdog. i'm sure he would be a cool guy to drink a beer with and get his opinion on things opposite of mine. That being said, why the hell is he a mod? He left this site for a lengthy about a year and a half and now all of a sudden is HANDED a moderator job by Monte. I don't blame Kaz for accepting but I blame Monte for asking. He aint been here in years so why would he even be an option???


2nd--- Cashmoney is a piece of shit. He has started threads calling my mom and wife a cunt,ho,bitch,hooker and everything else degrading to women yall can think of. And he's spoke of other members family the same way. Even brought up one members deceased mother. Now who the fuck would want that guy to be a part of this site? Well guess who? Monte!!! Cash was banned and came back ghosting as another member. And his reward for sneaking back on the site was to have his original screen named unbanned. Wow I'm sure that taught him a lesson!!!

so I guess i'm just seeking you guys opinion on what yall think of the future of the site. KB and JC are two well deserved mods and they will do a great job. BUT IMO that's the only two good decisions Monte has made in the last two years.

wayne1218
08-14-2014, 07:47 PM
I can't answer your questions vols and I will not try to. I will leave that for Monte because I do not want to speak for him. I know monte wants nothing but good things for this site. I truly do believe that. A great site is to his benefit and a bad one is not. He does want good things, we all do. I just think we all have different ways of getting there. I would be lying if I said I understood those decisions. I don't. I'll leave it at that.

vols fan
08-14-2014, 07:57 PM
And I respect that Wayne. I do agree that Monte has to make this place great for him to prosper. And he is going to do what he wants to do and we have to deal with it. BUT as a member I atleast want to see what others think


Kaz might be a great moderator in the future. But he has to earn it IMO


Cash will never be a great member. Ever!!!!



Hell ban cash and keep Kaz a mod and I'll be somewhat happy
Ban cash and make Kaz earn the job and I'll be completely happy
Keep cash a member and Kaz a mod and I'll be ashamed of this site and it's values

jcindaville
08-14-2014, 09:46 PM
I certainly cant speak for Monte but I will try to shed what little light on this topic as I can.

First of all what I do know:

Kaz didn't go looking for a moderator job at BC, he was asked by Monte to come here and begin posting again and interjecting some life into this site. IMO Monte chose him because I believe that Monte genuinely liked Kaz, and that they share some basic fundamental beliefs on many topics as it relates to life. I believe that Monte respects Kaz and his opinions and felt like he could help out here at the site. Those are just my opinions, Monte will have to answer that for himself if he so chooses.

IMO Vols I think you are being a little hard on Kaz, I respect your opinion but he didn't ask to do this, he made it clear to Monte that he would try and help and make BC a fun place to be, and that he would only do it on a trial basis to see if it worked out. All he has done since returning is post picks, wish people good luck, and post funny pictures. He is trying to help, he doesn't have any motives other than simply what I have stated. You said Vols that he's probably a good guy to drink a beer with, well I can tell you he is, I have done it with him. Kaz is a genuine, caring, funny, smart, and all around good guy. I am happy to call him a friend.

Kaz and I are complete opposites on our politics and religion, but I respect his thoughts and we don't have to agree to be friends. I don't like seeing him get IMO questioned and harassed for something he didn't even ask to do. You haven't read all that I have read Vols and he is being treated a little bit unfairly IMO.

Again, I state, he didn't ask to be a moderator, if anyone has an issue with that, best to take it up with Monte which is what you are doing Vols.

As far as Cashmoney goes, IMO, because I don't know cuz I am not Monte, my thoughts on his decision are this:

The site needs cappers, good ones, bad ones, but it needs cappers to post picks. My thought is he simply made a business decision by allowing him back. That's my opinion, its not fact, again I am not Monte. Cash is controversial, he brings some people to the site to follow and also to fade him, more posters and members IMO has to be good for business. So that is my thought on why, just my thought.

As far as Cash being unbanned:

Probably not the best decision looking back on it now by Monte. I don't think he understood some of the backlash he was going to receive for that.
Cash said some extremely nasty and hateful things to members and to moderators here. For that he should have been banned. I do also believe he was antagonized quite a bit from many members here, moderators too, I also feel that is why it escalated to the level it did. BUT, that doesn't excuse his behavior and the choice of words and comments he made. So again, I feel he should have been banned.
From my understanding Monte made this decision and it obviously hasn't been popular with some, I don't envy Monte when having to make some of the decisions he has to make.

I also want to state that there have been other cappers here that have made some very hateful and deplorable comments to members and have been allowed to come back. I also want to state that myself and others here attacked Cash with some pretty bad stuff, I for one called his girl friend or fiancée a tranny. I did publicly apologize for that, but needless to say, that was out of line and I probably should have gotten into trouble for it.

This place is turning into a pissing contest, I even question now on if I want to remain here. I genuinely just want this place to be fun again, I believe Kaz does too. But I can tell you this, its not much fun when we are only trying to help and people are questioning are motives and what agenda we have.


Vols, thanks for starting the thread, thanks for your input, thanks for giving a shit. I do appreciate your opinions and input buddy, I really do

longnex
08-14-2014, 10:36 PM
[quote]Kaz didn't go looking for a moderator job at BC, he was asked by Monte to come here and begin posting again and interjecting some life into this site.
IMO Vols I think you are being a little hard on Kaz, I respect your opinion but he didn't ask to do this,
Again, I state, he didn't ask to be a moderator[quote]


Let me see if I understand. Did Kaz go looking to be a mod or not? Lol

jcindaville
08-14-2014, 10:42 PM
Guess I made my point too many times huh Nex? Lol

vols fan
08-15-2014, 07:37 AM
I said the same thing in my post Jc . "Kaz didn't ask for this job so I don't blame him. I blame Monte". Monte has his favorites and Kaz has always been one of them. Once again that's not kaz's fault. But I guarantee we have members here who don't know who the hell Kaz his. That is kaz's fault. He left and IMO he should earn the right to be a moderator as a regular poster not as someone Monte likes.

vols fan
08-15-2014, 07:51 AM
And I'm not making it difficult questioning y'all's "agendas or motives" cause y'all aren't the ones making the decisions. Monte is. But he must have a lot of influence cause y'all sure are sticking up for him. He damn sure ain't here to do it himself

jcindaville
08-15-2014, 08:32 AM
I'm not sticking up for Monte.
He should be here to explain himself, I'm only offering what I think.

Monte has no influence over me, what's he gonna do to me, remove me from this lovely job of moderating??
Geeze, what would I do then, I know what I would do, I would have more peace and quiet and less explaining to do.

Lol

vols fan
08-15-2014, 08:41 AM
I'm not sticking up for Monte.
He should be here to explain himself, I'm only offering what I think.

Monte has no influence over me, what's he gonna do to me, remove me from this lovely job of moderating??
Geeze, what would I do then, I know what I would do, I would have more peace and quiet and less explaining to do.

Lol
Guess it makes us appreciate what all Spark and Wayne has had to put up with all these years. They deserve medals!!

jcindaville
08-15-2014, 09:39 AM
Guess it makes us appreciate what all Spark and Wayne has had to put up with all these years. They deserve medals!!


They do deserve medals!
I AGREE 1000%
Hope they are here for 20 more years!!!!

jcindaville
08-15-2014, 09:57 AM
I banned Cash this morning Vols.

When Monte gets back he can change it, but that's his call not mine.
Monte might be pissed that I banned him and ban me. Kind of hope he does, growing tired of all of this.

10DimeBry
08-15-2014, 11:25 AM
Its all the owners fault. He has no clue whats going on here......sell me the damn site already

BettorsChat
08-17-2014, 04:33 AM
Guess it makes us appreciate what all Spark and Wayne has had to put up with all these years. They deserve medals!!

You know what Vols your posts towards me have been insulting for some time.
I e-mailed you asking you for opinions on the site. You said you didn't get it. I posted that I e-mailed you again and this time it bounced back. I came into that thread asking if your e-mail was still AOL and you didn't respond.
You gave me an opinion on the site and posters by stating you started the site and got the people here so you should be able to figure out how to get more members or members back. Not very helpful.

As for Kaz being a moderator that was my decision and as a site owner that is my right. Why you're so hell bent on him being a moderator is beyond me. Saying he has to earn it is your opinion. You obviously are bringing this up as you must have an issue with Kaz. Or you think I have some agenda bringing him on which isn't true. I believe he is clear headed enough to help the site out. Just like John and that's why I asked him to come on as a moderator.

As for Cash I didn't even remember what all he said as I believe it was deleted. Plus I believe this was years ago, but that is not an excuse. I only think the people that remember what he said are the one's that he said it too. Mavs and BigDog have both stated recently that too many people being banned and not understanding why Cash who was hitting his top games at such a high % would be banned. And that's one of the reasons that they don't frequent the site like they did in the past.

And let me ask you this was Cash being bashed by you? The reason I ask as John admitted to saying something to him nasty and it takes 2 people to argue. My point being is someone pushed Cash's buttons and he went off in a bad way. The persons that pushed his buttons are responsible as well for stirring him up. Or do you disagree with that?

BettorsChat
08-17-2014, 04:35 AM
I banned Cash this morning Vols.

When Monte gets back he can change it, but that's his call not mine.
Monte might be pissed that I banned him and ban me. Kind of hope he does, growing tired of all of this.

John, it's exhausting and all of the arguing doesn't amount to anything other than people being pissed. With it being on the forum who would want to come post on a site with all this drama. It's a sports gambling forum not a drama or soap opera site.

vols fan
08-17-2014, 09:28 AM
You know what Vols your posts towards me have been insulting for some time.
I e-mailed you asking you for opinions on the site. You said you didn't get it. I posted that I e-mailed you again and this time it bounced back. I came into that thread asking if your e-mail was still AOL and you didn't respond.
You gave me an opinion on the site and posters by stating you started the site and got the people here so you should be able to figure out how to get more members or members back. Not very helpful.

As for Kaz being a moderator that was my decision and as a site owner that is my right. Why you're so hell bent on him being a moderator is beyond me. Saying he has to earn it is your opinion. You obviously are bringing this up as you must have an issue with Kaz. Or you think I have some agenda bringing him on which isn't true. I believe he is clear headed enough to help the site out. Just like John and that's why I asked him to come on as a moderator.

As for Cash I didn't even remember what all he said as I believe it was deleted. Plus I believe this was years ago, but that is not an excuse. I only think the people that remember what he said are the one's that he said it too. Mavs and BigDog have both stated recently that too many people being banned and not understanding why Cash who was hitting his top games at such a high % would be banned. And that's one of the reasons that they don't frequent the site like they did in the past.

And let me ask you this was Cash being bashed by you? The reason I ask as John admitted to saying something to him nasty and it takes 2 people to argue. My point being is someone pushed Cash's buttons and he went off in a bad way. The persons that pushed his buttons are responsible as well for stirring him up. Or do you disagree with that?
I emailed you the other day so don't tell me nothing about me replying to your email. Sent it to all 3 emails of yours.

And your responses to me have been with the same frustration I have towards you. I don't ask you to like me. I ask you to make this place better. I don't have issues with Kaz as a person so stop trying to play dr Phil and reading into my mind. And cash was calling himself the best capper on BC and when I pointed out his losing record he went on his rampage calling my mom and wife all the names. Even started titles of threads calling them names. So AFTER that you damn right I called him and anyone he was associated with every name in the book. Who the hell wouldn't?? He directly called out my family so it's human nature to respond by giving it back to him. If calling out someone's record on a gambling site is what you call "pushing someone's buttons" then you have issues. Family is always off limits but since it was my family you look the other way. You don't like me cause I don't kiss your ass. And I never will. Multiple people have posted negative things about you in these threads but you always only respond to mine. It's obvious you don't like me and the feeling is mutual. You treat people like shit and think cause you own this place then you're always right. Well you're not. So ban me or whatever you want to do. I don't give a shit anymore!!!!

tech fan
08-17-2014, 02:08 PM
Monte

My two cents on this issue. First off you need to understand that when people are frustrated with issues with this site its a good thing. It means that they care. I know in business if the company is prospering then the CEO is looked at in a different way than a company who is suffering. This site is a business.Its not the CEO who makes a company its the employees. The CEO is there to Motivate, Be Impartial, and to breathe life into the company when its not going well. As CEO of this site I truly feel like you have tried to breathe life into this site. You posted thread after thread months ago that had people upset but at least you tried. You were here. If I was CEO and I had an employee like Vols and other members here that disagree with you I would try to harness that energy and work with them to find a solution. When you have someone that will walk through walls or jump any hurdle you use that person not fire them because they disagree with you. I might be on the outside here but I think Kaz being mod was a great choice. He is the closest thing we have to Jimmy and I think his wit and his strong minded views are great for this site. Kaz and Vols are almost the same individual except one agrees with you on politics and the other disagrees with you. To be successful you have to work with the go getters the pillars of the company and find a solution to make it work.

mavskidd02
08-18-2014, 03:37 AM
Please be joking, Monte. That post was dripping with sarcasm. I know it was a while ago, but I was heavily on the ban CashMoney train. <br />
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As for why I don't post as much as I used to, the...

KazDog
08-18-2014, 01:59 PM
[quote]Kaz didn't go looking for a moderator job at BC, he was asked by Monte to come here and begin posting again and interjecting some life into this site.
IMO Vols I think you are being a little hard on Kaz, I respect your opinion but he didn't ask to do this,
Again, I state, he didn't ask to be a moderator[quote]



Let me see if I understand. Did Kaz go looking to be a mod or not? Lol

I think someone got his feelings hurt. Don't worry, I will never replace you in the home and home, "life events," with JC....

KazDog
08-18-2014, 02:15 PM
Monte

My two cents on this issue. First off you need to understand that when people are frustrated with issues with this site its a good thing. It means that they care. I know in business if the company is prospering then the CEO is looked at in a different way than a company who is suffering. This site is a business.Its not the CEO who makes a company its the employees. The CEO is there to Motivate, Be Impartial, and to breathe life into the company when its not going well. As CEO of this site I truly feel like you have tried to breathe life into this site. You posted thread after thread months ago that had people upset but at least you tried. You were here. If I was CEO and I had an employee like Vols and other members here that disagree with you I would try to harness that energy and work with them to find a solution. When you have someone that will walk through walls or jump any hurdle you use that person not fire them because they disagree with you. I might be on the outside here but I think Kaz being mod was a great choice. He is the closest thing we have to Jimmy and I think his wit and his strong minded views are great for this site. Kaz and Vols are almost the same individual except one agrees with you on politics and the other disagrees with you. To be successful you have to work with the go getters the pillars of the company and find a solution to make it work.


I certainly cant speak for Monte but I will try to shed what little light on this topic as I can.

First of all what I do know:

Kaz didn't go looking for a moderator job at BC, he was asked by Monte to come here and begin posting again and interjecting some life into this site. IMO Monte chose him because I believe that Monte genuinely liked Kaz, and that they share some basic fundamental beliefs on many topics as it relates to life. I believe that Monte respects Kaz and his opinions and felt like he could help out here at the site. Those are just my opinions, Monte will have to answer that for himself if he so chooses.

IMO Vols I think you are being a little hard on Kaz, I respect your opinion but he didn't ask to do this, he made it clear to Monte that he would try and help and make BC a fun place to be, and that he would only do it on a trial basis to see if it worked out. All he has done since returning is post picks, wish people good luck, and post funny pictures. He is trying to help, he doesn't have any motives other than simply what I have stated. You said Vols that he's probably a good guy to drink a beer with, well I can tell you he is, I have done it with him. Kaz is a genuine, caring, funny, smart, and all around good guy. I am happy to call him a friend.

Kaz and I are complete opposites on our politics and religion, but I respect his thoughts and we don't have to agree to be friends. I don't like seeing him get IMO questioned and harassed for something he didn't even ask to do. You haven't read all that I have read Vols and he is being treated a little bit unfairly IMO.

Again, I state, he didn't ask to be a moderator, if anyone has an issue with that, best to take it up with Monte which is what you are doing Vols.

As far as Cashmoney goes, IMO, because I don't know cuz I am not Monte, my thoughts on his decision are this:

The site needs cappers, good ones, bad ones, but it needs cappers to post picks. My thought is he simply made a business decision by allowing him back. That's my opinion, its not fact, again I am not Monte. Cash is controversial, he brings some people to the site to follow and also to fade him, more posters and members IMO has to be good for business. So that is my thought on why, just my thought.

As far as Cash being unbanned:

Probably not the best decision looking back on it now by Monte. I don't think he understood some of the backlash he was going to receive for that.
Cash said some extremely nasty and hateful things to members and to moderators here. For that he should have been banned. I do also believe he was antagonized quite a bit from many members here, moderators too, I also feel that is why it escalated to the level it did. BUT, that doesn't excuse his behavior and the choice of words and comments he made. So again, I feel he should have been banned.
From my understanding Monte made this decision and it obviously hasn't been popular with some, I don't envy Monte when having to make some of the decisions he has to make.

I also want to state that there have been other cappers here that have made some very hateful and deplorable comments to members and have been allowed to come back. I also want to state that myself and others here attacked Cash with some pretty bad stuff, I for one called his girl friend or fiancée a tranny. I did publicly apologize for that, but needless to say, that was out of line and I probably should have gotten into trouble for it.

This place is turning into a pissing contest, I even question now on if I want to remain here. I genuinely just want this place to be fun again, I believe Kaz does too. But I can tell you this, its not much fun when we are only trying to help and people are questioning are motives and what agenda we have.


Vols, thanks for starting the thread, thanks for your input, thanks for giving a shit. I do appreciate your opinions and input buddy, I really do

Thanks John and Jerry for your support. Two stand up guys. Very well written and showed a lot of class. John, I too am happy to call you a friend. Now quit texting me about changing my avatar helmet buffer. You can kiss my Hillary supporting ass on that one....:red:

I'm not here to make enemies. I was asked to comeback and make it fun again. I'm doing what I can. There is no agenda from any of us other than making this place better. I also don't think there is a criteria for being a Mod. I know why Monte asked me to be one and what was written by JC and Tech fan are accurate. I've been to many other sites and have a feel for what works. Monte and I are pretty close on our core beliefs up and down the board. Although he acts like a tool a lot more often than I do. :red:

I think you all should cut Monte slack. Period. He's doing what you all have been asking him to do, and that is to make the site more fun and informative. He really is a good guy and wants things to be better. Trust me about that.

I will also say, Joe and Wayne are two very valuable assets to this site. They both do way more than I ever imagined and they too want to make this a better place. We didn't sign on to replace them....

Udog
08-18-2014, 04:26 PM
Very well written and showed a lot of class.

I thought so, too! We've got some sharp guys around here.

I'm real glad you're back, kaz.

KazDog
08-18-2014, 08:23 PM
I thought so, too! We've got some sharp guys around here.

I'm real glad you're back, kaz.

Thanks big dog!

tech fan
08-18-2014, 08:36 PM
Why dont we just have an open forum where everyone can post ideas on what would help this site get back to what it was. I know Monte emailed certain guys but any member here might be able to give an idea that just makes this fun again. I understand why Monte would want to screen all sugestions but it might also help if alot of guys get on board with an idea.

KazDog
08-18-2014, 08:39 PM
Why dont we just have an open forum where everyone can post ideas on what would help this site get back to what it was. I know Monte emailed certain guys but any member here might be able to give an idea that just makes this fun again. I understand why Monte would want to screen all sugestions but it might also help if alot of guys get on board with an idea.

Not a bad idea Jerry. Why don't you start a new thread and title it that way? I'll try and add to it some new stuff....

wayne1218
08-18-2014, 08:51 PM
Why dont we just have an open forum where everyone can post ideas on what would help this site get back to what it was.

You are in that forum right now pal.

"Comment on BettorsChat" - Tell us how where doing? Offer suggestions on how BettorsChat can improve

KazDog
08-18-2014, 08:52 PM
I would like to see members be at different levels. They can only advance levels by being voted on by other members. I know Spark and Wayne would be Gold Platinum or whatever but it would give guys incentives to post and to keep things clean by being worried about getting a negative ranking. I don't think using just a post count alone should be reason to move up in status. Maybe do a combination of after a certain number of post and quality or star post's you move up to a silver level. Guys just need incentive to post here.

This is good Jerry. But I wanted you to start a whole new thread titled something like "How Can We Make This Site Better?" in this forum that you are in....

tech fan
08-18-2014, 08:53 PM
Not a bad idea Jerry. Why don't you start a new thread and title it that way? I'll try and add to it some new stuff....

You are the Mod you do the work ......... just joking man. Why don't u start the thread and just move my post above into that thread. I gotta make you earn that mod check LOL

KazDog
08-18-2014, 08:56 PM
You are the Mod you do the work ......... just joking man. Why don't u start the thread and just move my post above into that thread. I gotta make you earn that mod check LOL

OK bro. For you, I'm gonna attempt this. It will be my first action using a Mod tool. If I get it all fuggered up. I'm blaming you. Or I'll just blame Bush since everything is his fault. Haha :red:

Spark
08-18-2014, 08:59 PM
You are in that forum right now pal.

"Comment on BettorsChat" - Tell us how where doing? Offer suggestions on how BettorsChat can improve

I guess no one saw this. LOL

KazDog
08-18-2014, 09:04 PM
I guess no one saw this. LOL

I saw it you Jamoke! I wanted it in his own thread. I successfully moved it. I know, sometimes it's the little things in life. :rofl2:

Spark
08-18-2014, 09:12 PM
Hey stunod, He said FORUM not thread

Spark
08-18-2014, 09:14 PM
Hey stunod, He said FORUM not thread

You and Monte and getting more and more alike each day. You both read the same way ... You sure you guys are not twins LOL

KazDog
08-18-2014, 09:19 PM
You and Monte and getting more and more alike each day. You both read the same way ... You sure you guys are not twins LOL

I know Jerry said forum. I said I wanted him to put it in "his" own thread in "this" forum so it wouldn't be in this thread. Aye cabron. :dontknow: You're still the same ol' Joe. No doubt about that. :moon2:

Spark
08-18-2014, 09:21 PM
You're still the same ol' Joe. No doubt about that. :moon2:

Make sure you tell Monte :haha:

KazDog
08-18-2014, 09:23 PM
Make sure you tell Monte :haha:

:rofl2::rofl2: Now that's friggin' funny!!!

tech fan
08-18-2014, 09:48 PM
I guess no one saw this. LOL

I knew we had this forum but I did not know if Monte wanted it to be an open discussion or just get responses by email. I did mean thread but said forum. I do think maybe some new guys might have suggestions on how we could be more welcoming or maybe something that would make people post threads not just come in and read. I know Kaptains Kruise got a lot of guys used to posting plays just because it was laid back in that thread. I did not want to start a thread when Monte wanted it to be e-mail. Dont want to make Monte mad he almost Banned Vols LOL LOL

KazDog
08-19-2014, 05:48 PM
Y'all are playing with fire. Just my two cents....Right Monte?




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BettorsChat
08-31-2014, 06:52 AM
Y'all are playing with fire. Just my two cents....Right Monte?




http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r225/garykaz/AxeManREOutbreak.jpg

:flip:

BettorsChat
08-31-2014, 06:52 AM
I knew we had this forum but I did not know if Monte wanted it to be an open discussion or just get responses by email. I did mean thread but said forum. I do think maybe some new guys might have suggestions on how we could be more welcoming or maybe something that would make people post threads not just come in and read. I know Kaptains Kruise got a lot of guys used to posting plays just because it was laid back in that thread. I did not want to start a thread when Monte wanted it to be e-mail. Dont want to make Monte mad he almost Banned Vols LOL LOL

Jerry, Yes you can post ideas out in the open down in here as that's not a problem.