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wayne1218
02-28-2009, 02:39 PM
No shocker there with Pioli. He will join Vrabel.

mavskidd02
02-28-2009, 02:41 PM
anyone know what the pats got for him?

wayne1218
02-28-2009, 02:42 PM
Cassel sent to ChiefsComment Email Print Share ESPN.com news services

Matt Cassel, whom the New England Patriots named as their franchise player in early February, has been traded to the Kansas City Chiefs.

Cassel has been informed he is being traded to the Chiefs, ESPN.com's John Clayton and ESPN's Michael Smith have confirmed.

The Boston Globe reported on its Web site that official paperwork had been filed with the NFL. The story was first reported by NFL.com.

Cassel had accepted the Patriots' non-exclusive franchise tender, guaranteeing the quarterback at least $14.65 million next season. Cassel faxed his acceptance to the Patriots, the NFL and the NFLPA, but the Patriots also needed to offer him the one-year contract.


The franchise tag's value is the average of the top five salaries for NFL players at a particular position.

Cassel finished 327 of 516 for 3,693 yards, with 21 touchdowns and 11 interceptions.


It would be the Chiefs' second acquisition of a major member of the Patriots' organization in as many days; the Chiefs traded for linebacker Mike Vrabel on Friday. It also was orchestrated by one as well -- Scott Pioli, the former Patriots vice president of player personnel who this year was hired as the Chiefs' general manager.

wayne1218
02-28-2009, 02:42 PM
anyone know what the pats got for him?


Have not heard that yet.

Three Jack
02-28-2009, 02:52 PM
Nice call, Wayne. Surprised it happened this early. Pats must have seen something the way Brady alked down the aisle during his wedding the other day to convince them he is ready!

wayne1218
02-28-2009, 03:00 PM
Nice call, Wayne. Surprised it happened this early. Pats must have seen something the way Brady alked down the aisle during his wedding the other day to convince them he is ready!

Pioli and Belichek probably had this all worked out before he left his office in New England. This was really the biggest no brainer ever once you heard how well Bill and Scott worked together. When i saw Vrabel go to KC yesterday for basically peanuts, i knew something was up. I just hope they got something good in return.

wayne1218
02-28-2009, 03:04 PM
I see a good little rivalry getting a little more fuel now with KC and Denver. Cassel and Mcdaniels will now face off. Pioli and Vrabel are also in KC and the Pats 3rd WR (Gaffney) is now in Denver i think. The AFC West could be a little more interesting.

wayne1218
02-28-2009, 03:27 PM
Some sites are now reporting that it was a multi player trade and that Vrabel & Cassel are in the same trade together to KC and compensation is still not known yet.

wayne1218
02-28-2009, 03:28 PM
I have also heard rumors of N.E. packaging draft picks and sending them to Carolina for Julius Peppers.

Mizzou_08
02-28-2009, 03:29 PM
The Chiefs sent their second-round pick, No. 34 overall, to the Patriots to acquire their desperately needed quarterback.

aplous
02-28-2009, 03:44 PM
Cassel/Vrabel for 34th overall..........

wayne1218
02-28-2009, 03:47 PM
That is a STEAL for KC imo. For New England, it opens up 17 million in cap space and gives them a nice pick. I think they have other things up their sleeve now with the draft picks or the money.

musclemann
02-28-2009, 03:48 PM
cassell for a second round pick only? Hmm wouldve thought theyd get more than that.

Mizzou_08
02-28-2009, 03:52 PM
I think it was a good move for both teams. Chiefs desperately needed a QB, and now they can focus on getting Curry with their first overall pick because they no longer need a QB.

wayne1218
02-28-2009, 04:03 PM
KC could sure use a Crabtree type receiver too. Put him on the other side of Bowe and give Cassel some weapons.

musclemann
02-28-2009, 04:27 PM
not sold on cassell being a great q.b but k.c only gave up a second round pick, that doesnt break the bank and its worth the gamble.

Things will be a lttle different without moss welker watson as your weapons. btw I didnt think tyler thigpen did that bad of a job toward the end of the season.

Like i said only a second round is a good deal though.

wayne1218
02-28-2009, 04:50 PM
not sold on cassell being a great q.b but k.c only gave up a second round pick, that doesnt break the bank and its worth the gamble.

Things will be a lttle different without moss welker watson as your weapons. btw I didnt think tyler thigpen did that bad of a job toward the end of the season.

Like i said only a second round is a good deal though.

You can say that about most great QB's. Rice, Taylor and Clark helped Montana be great. Swan, Stallworth and Harris made Bradshaw great. Irving and Emmitt helped Troy look great. All great qb's had great players around them for the most part. I'm not saying Cassel is great either but you still have to judge him by what he did. His decision making was excellent last year too.

I would feel a million times better with a guy like Cassel over any Rookie that has done nothing in this league.

Three Jack
02-28-2009, 04:55 PM
If its a 2nd for both players, it is a great trade for both teams.

musclemann
02-28-2009, 06:51 PM
You can say that about most great QB's. Rice, Taylor and Clark helped Montana be great. Swan, Stallworth and Harris made Bradshaw great. Irving and Emmitt helped Troy look great. All great qb's had great players around them for the most part. I'm not saying Cassel is great either but you still have to judge him by what he did. His decision making was excellent last year too.

I would feel a million times better with a guy like Cassel over any Rookie that has done nothing in this league.



I have no problem with cassells body of work last year. I believe the system and the players helped him quite a bit which is a compliment for how good a coach jerkoff bellichik is.The only problem I had with him last year was his passes over 25+ yards which shouldve been great seeing how you have the fastest and tallest receiver on your team(moss). But his decision making was excellent, his percentage was sky high and he kept them in the hunt for the playoffs all year. I grade cassell out at a B+ which wouldve been an A if he had been able to utilize moss more last year.

Had a great year last year just skeptical of him on the chiefs and a shitty ass offensive line and a weak defense.

New England better have a back up.:feedback:

wayne1218
02-28-2009, 07:09 PM
New England better have a back up.:feedback:

The same guy that backed up Cassel last year (Kevin O'Connell) will back up Brady this year. Not much different in the back up role from 08'-09'.

wayne1218
02-28-2009, 07:55 PM
Now there are Rumors that Matt Cassel will be traded to Denver for Jay Cutler?


Wow, if true ...........

Mcdaniels must really want Cassel?

mavskidd02
02-28-2009, 09:15 PM
You can say that about most great QB's. Rice, Taylor and Clark helped Montana be great. Swan, Stallworth and Harris made Bradshaw great. Irving and Emmitt helped Troy look great. All great qb's had great players around them for the most part. I'm not saying Cassel is great either but you still have to judge him by what he did. His decision making was excellent last year too.

I would feel a million times better with a guy like Cassel over any Rookie that has done nothing in this league.

There's also great QBs who did it with no name WRs. ie: Brett Favre.

My prediction: Cassel gets benched by the end of the season.

wayne1218
02-28-2009, 09:19 PM
There's also great QBs who did it with no name WRs. ie: Brett Favre.

My prediction: Cassel gets benched by the end of the season.

Screw Brett Favre, most can't name more than one WR on any of Brady's 3 SB Winning teams. Look at the guys who were around Brady when he won each SB and it is hard to figure out how they won. :thumbsup:

mavskidd02
02-28-2009, 09:24 PM
Screw Brett Favre, most can't name more than one WR on any of Brady's 3 SB Winning teams. Look at the guys who were around Brady when he won each SB and it is hard to figure out how they won. :thumbsup:

Personally I can name about 3 or 4, what does that have to do with Brett Favre? And why screw Brett Favre?

RDOG55
02-28-2009, 09:24 PM
Screw Brett Favre, most can't name more than one WR on any of Brady's 3 SB Winning teams. Look at the guys who were around Brady when he won each SB and it is hard to figure out how they won. :thumbsup:

I agree....I coudn't name a WR other than Troy Brown on any of those teams.

Another QB who was no one w/o WR's is Duante Culpepper. He made his entire career on one season of taking 5 step drops and throwing the ball downfield to Moss, Carter and Reed.

RDOG55
02-28-2009, 09:25 PM
As soon as I posted I thought of Deion Branch

wayne1218
02-28-2009, 09:27 PM
Personally I can name about 3 or 4, what does that have to do with Brett Favre? And why screw Brett Favre?

Screw meaning forget. We are talking Patriots in this thread and my point was, we don't need to go to GB to find that QB when there is one sitting in N.E. who won 3 SB's, not one and he did it with alot less at the WR position than Favre did.

mavskidd02
02-28-2009, 09:31 PM
Screw meaning forget. We are talking Patriots in this thread and my point was, we don't need to go to GB to find that QB when there is one sitting in N.E. who won 3 SB's, not one and he did it with alot less at the WR position than Favre did.

You're kidding right wayne?? You're the one who brought up Montana and the 49ers, Bradshaw and the Steelers, and Aikman and the Cowboys. And then you tell me "we're talking about Patriots in this thread"???

wayne1218
02-28-2009, 09:35 PM
In the 3 SB Wins, the Leading TD Receivers in 3 total games was Mike Vrabel and David Givens, each with 2 TD Receptions. Troy Brown was never even close to a #1 receiver and Deion Branch was solid for a season or two but had 1 SB TD reception. David Patten was one of their top receivers in their SB run too. Yup, real scary weapons there, especially with Antoine Smith a RB! :)

wayne1218
02-28-2009, 09:38 PM
You're kidding right wayne?? You're the one who brought up Montana and the 49ers, Bradshaw and the Steelers, and Aikman and the Cowboys. And then you tell me "we're talking about Patriots in this thread"???


I think you are taking things a little to literally or personally here cuz i'm just shooting the shit about football. Don't get all in an uproar for nothing.

harold_bush
02-28-2009, 09:42 PM
I have also heard rumors of N.E. packaging draft picks and sending them to Carolina for Julius Peppers.

This wouldn't seem to jive w/ NE's philosophy though.

wayne1218
02-28-2009, 09:44 PM
This wouldn't seem to jive w/ NE's philosophy though.


I agree and that is a position they are set pretty well at already. I'm still curious about the Cassel for Cutler rumor. Would Denver really do that?

mavskidd02
02-28-2009, 09:48 PM
I think you are taking things a little to literally or personally here cuz i'm just shooting the shit about football. Don't get all in an uproar for nothing.

LOL. I think the same about you my friend.
Look at it from my POV.
"Brett Favre did it with no WRs."

"Screw Brett Favre"

"Why screw Brett Favre?"

"We're talking about the Patriots in this thread"

I'm not taking any of this personally, I responded to the thread and you shit on everything I say. IMO, i think you take the Patriots and all their glory a little too seriously, that or you have something against Brett Favre. Whatever.

wayne1218
02-28-2009, 09:57 PM
LOL. I think the same about you my friend.
Look at it from my POV.
"Brett Favre did it with no WRs."

"Screw Brett Favre"

"Why screw Brett Favre?"

"We're talking about the Patriots in this thread"

I'm not taking any of this personally, I responded to the thread and you shit on everything I say. IMO, i think you take the Patriots and all their glory a little too seriously, that or you have something against Brett Favre. Whatever.

"Whatever"?

Yes, you are not taking anything personally. lmao ... c'mon now, seriously.

I'm talking football and as most guys do, they "Get into it" when it comes to their teams. I won't apologize for that. Certainly nothing to take personally as in i "Shit" on everything you say but you certainly have ... even if you won't admit it. :)

mavskidd02
02-28-2009, 10:15 PM
"Whatever"?

Yes, you are not taking anything personally. lmao ... c'mon now, seriously.

I'm talking football and as most guys do, they "Get into it" when it comes to their teams. I won't apologize for that. Certainly nothing to take personally as in i "Shit" on everything you say but you certainly have ... even if you won't admit it. :)

Am I taking anything personally? No, its a forum on the internet, I don't know you, you don't know me. But maybe I am taking this a little seriously, I think if you were me, you would be too. The only thing I'm saying is most guys don't like it and find it disrespectful when they try to contribute to a conversation, and you say "Screw that guy", or "we're not talking about them, we're talking about this team right now." That's it, that's all.

BettorsChat
02-28-2009, 10:22 PM
NE got ripped IMO a stinken 2nd round pick for the backup of Brady who stepped up last year and did a damn good job. What happened to them trading for Gonzalez?

wayne1218
02-28-2009, 10:40 PM
NE got ripped IMO a stinken 2nd round pick for the backup of Brady who stepped up last year and did a damn good job. What happened to them trading for Gonzalez?



I agree. I'm shocked that was all they got! :(

BettorsChat
02-28-2009, 10:49 PM
I agree. I'm shocked that was all they got! :(

The way things are starting to look is if they are rebuilding.

musclemann
02-28-2009, 11:07 PM
There's also great QBs who did it with no name WRs. ie: Brett Favre.

My prediction: Cassel gets benched by the end of the season.


dude for all the brett favre blowing going on, he won one super bowl.

And he can thank the bust desmond howard for that one.

BettorsChat
02-28-2009, 11:15 PM
dude for all the brett favre blowing going on, he won one super bowl.

And he can thank the bust desmond howard for that one.

Not wanting to get off topic, but Favre is HOF lock!

mavskidd02
02-28-2009, 11:32 PM
dude for all the brett favre blowing going on, he won one super bowl.

And he can thank the bust desmond howard for that one.

I'm not blowing Brett Favre at all. I like 'em, and yeah he only won one super bowl, but his statistics are with the greatest of all time, and he did it with little to no help at the WR position, that's hard to do. But if you want to use SB's as the measuring stick, then yeah he's not that great, but by that logic Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino, because Dilfer has one more SB. Point being, Super Bowls are not the be all end all of great quarterbacks.

And like Monte said, he's a HOF lock. And that's not for nothing. You can't argue with the fact that he's one of the greatest of all time.

BettorsChat
03-02-2009, 01:00 AM
ENGLEWOOD, Colo. (AP) - Trade talks involving Jay Cutler have strained the relationship between the Denver Broncos' franchise quarterback and new coach Josh McDaniels.

Before Matt Cassel was traded from New England to Kansas City on Saturday, Cutler's name came up in a proposed three-way deal with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers that would have brought Cassel to Denver and landed Cutler in South Florida.

FOX Sports on MSN - NFL - Broncos coach finds himself at odds with Cutler (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9281992/Broncos-coach-finds-himself-at-odds-with-Cutler?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=5)

Three Jack
03-02-2009, 10:57 AM
Cutler is a pussy.

Love the Boston media hammering the Pats all wekend saying they gave up Cassell and Vrabel for virtually nothing. They are getting killed in the press....

harold_bush
03-02-2009, 11:53 AM
I agree. I'm shocked that was all they got! :(

I agree on the surface that you would hope to get more than a 2nd round pick, however, the Pats didn't have great leverage in negotiations in my opinion. There was a 0% chance the Pats were going to go into the season with over $30 million dollars tied up at the QB position. This was no secret to the teams that were looking at Cassell. You also have to realize that while Cassell played pretty well last year, he is being paid as a top 5 QB, and many don't think he is near that type of player. There is certainly one school of thought that he is just a product of the Pats' system. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing w/ that, but that is what lots are saying. It isn't like teams were lining up to pay a somewhat unproven guy that type of money.

Again, to me the biggest aspect of the trade to me is that the Pats are dumping a huge ass contract, so in addition to getting a early 2nd round pick, they are able to sign a couple other players by freeing up that contract. Don't forget Cassell was what, a 6th rounder? From that perspective the Pats got pretty good use out of the kid.

wayne1218
03-02-2009, 05:27 PM
After listening to alot of the reasoning since the trade went down, i'm fine with it.